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Anarchists who set fire to police cars, in an interview with Radio Liberty, said the anarchists, who do not.

The occasion for this conversation was the latest arson attack police car in Moscow. Policemen arrived at the street Ostrovityanova, as it turned out, the wrong call on February 9. Their car was set on fire after they came out of it. Responsibility for action taken on so-called "Butovskiy robbers", who sent a report about the rally's website "Blackblocg".

This site - a blog of people who call themselves anarchists and anti-fascists.On it they lay out the reports and photos from the shares of its adherents. All of them remain anonymous. Shares are reduced mainly to the burning of police cars, construction machinery, buildings, police station. Organizers shares deliberately avoided casualties. Their enemies they call "the State and the Nazis."

Such a form of protest often trigger criticism from those who consider themselves anarchists and anti-fascists, but does so without hiding their names. RFE / RL correspondents tried to find out who is a true anarchist - anonymous arsonists or theorists and regulars rallies.

Moderator of the "Black blog" answered questions by e-mail on behalf of the team Blackblocg ".

- No single organization with regional offices in all towns and leading a coordinated activity.Rather, there are many autonomous guerrilla groups: both in Moscow and other cities, who know nothing about each other. Blackblocg also serves not as a unifying site, but as a unified platform for publishing information about the shares of direct action.

- How do you define yourself - revolutionaries, partisans, anarchists, anti-fascists?

- We are anarchists and anti-fascists.And in that order. For us
primary, class struggle (and its corollary it follows our anti-fascism), but not abstract apolitical struggle against fascism. Just some of our stock is pulled at least a "diversionary work, and then we kind of are guerrillas. Violent confrontation, the State - is normal for an anarchist.

- How do you feel about the action of fans at the Manege Square in December 2010 and the action of anti-fascists in Khimki administration in the summer of 2010?

- The share of fans, we are encouraged grass-roots self-organization of people and upset that she turned not to the plane of social and class struggle, but the plane combat racial and nationalistic.Therefore, the ratio was fairly negative. It is not easy to overcome this entire layer of prejudice, partly soaked in the medium, partly imposed by the state.

To share in Khimki we take positive.True, the grieving bad conspiracy organizers, is that most people came to the concert and was on the action (manipulation of the participants) and therefore was not ready for action, use of organizers and participants of Russian rhetoric against fascism (the slogans a la "The Russian forest "). This action showed that the direct effect can be done to protect something else (in this case - forests) is greater than the so-called legitimate protest.

- What do you think differentiates you from terrorists?

- Terrorism - a method to achieve something of the power by means of pressure on the peaceful
population.We, firstly, we press on the very power, and secondly, demand
some wealth not for themselves.

- Is it permissible for you to murder for the sake of "just society harmonic personalities," as you formulate it in my blog?

- In planning and carrying out actions, we strive to provide maximum security. In the first place, so as not to hurt random people.This criterion can serve us a waiver of shares or non-use of incendiary means. Secondarily, we try to avoid harming the health of police officers. But here the criteria are much weaker: after all, the police themselves have chosen this kind of activity, power, contrasting himself to people. Nevertheless, we try to avoid the threat and their health. By the way, the honest police officers, we urge to leave the police station.

- How many cars need to set on fire, in your opinion, to change the situation?

- It's not the quantity but in quality.Goal - not to destroy the specific machine and change the outlook of people, so that they abolished the States and take control over their lives into their own hands.

- Your goal - the destruction of States, the abolition of the militia in general,
build a free and just society harmonic individuals themselves are responsible for their actions and for their lives, rather than blaming it on the head, master, lord "(quote from your blog). Can you give any example of a country where something like this to your stated goal was to implement?

- Samples of no.As an approximation, one can consider the commune of Aragon in Spain in 1937, when nearly 2 years in Catalonia and has successfully established there an anarchic society, as well as Walk-Republic of Poland. For the sustainable existence of anarchist communities are needed by many factors, and then complete victory was achieved. Now, it seems, spososbov much more: for example, network development offers huge opportunities for grassroots coordination of people, it becomes unnecessary centralization.

- What is your program?

- The program is for those who are eager for power.We strive to abolish the power of all.

- What gives you anonymity, but the relative safety? After all, with her, anyone who does not call his name, can speak on behalf of alleged anarchists in this case can not prove any of his involvement in it, nor innocence.

- Relative security - is perhaps the most important thing. But this will agree, is not enough - and Gaskarova Solopova taken shortly after Khimki.We also act for several years. Of course, we can assume that the rally in Khimki, gave a much stronger effect of media and because they so quickly found. But a lot of direct action (such as ours and other groups) were at least comparable in scale, and no one has yet been detained. Agreed that the we and the group like ours is open, we would be sitting (which is confirmed by the experience of "War").

On the one hand, someone could organize, say, a terrorist attack like what was at Domodedovo, and subscribe to the anarchists, and eventually the name of the movement will be discredited.On the other, - if we are consistently to advocate and disseminate their beliefs, then no one would believe that anarchists could blow up innocent people.

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Those who openly preach anarchism and anti-fascism, are skeptical that the arsonists police cars - the anarchists and often condemn arson.

Thus, an activist Alexander Sazonov, consider themselves to anti-fascists, calls these actions "reckless":

- It is desperation.None of the current anarchist and anti-fascist organizations do not do and never did, - said Alexander Sazonov.

Associating himself to the anarchists journalist and activist Vlad Tupikin admits that the burning and did arrange "nationalists disguised as policemen, or":

- Of course, the people who come from setting fire to something that will go into hiding. Therefore, many of them we can not say. We can not say for sure that they are anarchists or, conversely, the Russian nationalists, who pretend that they are anarchists.Or is it all dressed policemen who are looking for idiots who will write letters and try to get them to bond. Therefore, what they call themselves "anti-fascists" and "anarchists" - does not mean that they are.

- Many people who consider themselves as anarchists and anti-fascists give interviews, asking to call them fake names, not only in the case of arson. Let's define non-anonymous anarchists - is generally what?

- This, for example, I am. I long ago started its activities.During the adjustment was made openly name their names because of political assassinations and attacks on the entrances almost was not, with rare exception.

- And besides you? How do anarchists in Moscow?

- We do not use the services of SSC, but in Moscow, perhaps we could talk about several thousand people. We do not have adequate funds to rent the Palace of Culture and spend Anarchist Congress. But the concerts come on relevant topics 600-700. I speak for other telltale signs: the activity at demonstrations, the number of blogs and the number of sites.

- What is the attitude of anarchists to which you yourself classifies, for "direct action"?

- Anarchists are terrorized in different ways.History of quadrupeds are occasions when they resorted to violence. But let's talk. Give someone's face - it is violence or not? A force to pay the salaries of every month 13 percent - is violence or not? The situation in the housing market, the labor market - it's not violence? There is institutional violence, which create institutions.And with that faced by all. I can only quote from Leo Tolstoy who said that a gang of criminals is less dangerous than a well-organized government.

People who use violence in everyday political practice, I at least understand. They learned this by looking at the structure of the modern society. Emotionally, I can even understand people who, when confronted with police violence, to respond to violence. But whether they will achieve young police reform, in that I doubt it.

- When asked about what they propose to replace police cars responded to the arsonists - militias.This is pure fantasy?

- Why is pure fantasy? Have you heard what's going on in the north of Moscow, where a maniac with a hammer attack on women (in the north of Moscow volunteers, communicating on the Internet, decided to create a squad to respond to messages that are operating in the area of a maniac who has made five attacks. February 7 volunteers detained a suspicious man , but police released him, threatening to arrest the volunteers. "Patrol" was advised to formally apply to the council area, offering their services and wait for a response within a month - RS).

People are already patrolling the streets because they do not trust the police.This is happening now, in 2011. This is reality.

- How do you think, will continue to develop attitudes of the authorities and society against the backdrop of what has happened over the last year - I mean attacks on policemen, shouting "Nurgaliyev permitted, burning cars for police and other disturbing events?

- Do you think it's disturbing events? In my opinion, encouraging.

- Are you for or against fires?

- I say that each situation must be considered specifically.If a manager is constantly beaten by the police detained or gave such orders to its employees, and he then burned car, which surprised? If we talk about the latest revolutions - in Tunisia and Egypt, please note: there were no burning police cars. When the great mass of the population rises, the need to use this kind of violence is practically eliminated.A huge number of people able to carry out political change without resorting to violence, I'm sure.

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